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	<title>Comments on: VANDENBERG MP&#8217;s GONE WILD</title>
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	<description>Resistance to Missile Testing, Space-based Weapons, and the U.S. War Machine</description>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://vandenbergwitness.org/2009/11/06/vandenberg-mps-gone-wild#comment-1548</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are all ridiculous for protesting in the first place. all you are is a media grabber. your opinion has no effect on the governments decisions. there is a reason they are in charge and people that carry signs around and walk in a circle are not.
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Shawn,

I beg to differ with you. We are not &quot;media grabbers.&quot; We are being faithful to our Christian faith, the call to be human, which calls us to first and foremost to love God and all human beings, as every person is made in God&#039;s image and likeness. This leads one to reject the idolatrous and blasphemous ways of empire; to reject and stand against all that glorifies death, all that serves the purpose of death and destruction. God calls us to &quot;choose life.&quot;

You are correct. Our opinion and our protests (by ourselves) have little, if any, effect on government policy. However, first and foremost, as stated above, our intent is to be faithful to Gospel principles, not necessarily successful in changing anything, though this certainly is the ultimate goal. The goal of disarmament, which is to place our trust in God alone, as our national motto (falsely) states, will come when our nation collapses under economic ruin because we spend nearly all our resources on the ways of death and destruction, while the needs of the people and the nation&#039;s infrastructure are neglected.  It is utterly impossible for this nation to continue spending trillions on wars and expect to meet the needs of the people. Every empire in human history tried it before us and collapsed. When we fall, then the people will come together and join us and demand that the money used for weapons, wars, death and destruction, now be used for the purpose of life.

Protesting and resistance is the human thing to do in the midst of the inhuman, and anti-human diabolical madness of war and preparation for war.  

Peace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are all ridiculous for protesting in the first place. all you are is a media grabber. your opinion has no effect on the governments decisions. there is a reason they are in charge and people that carry signs around and walk in a circle are not.<br />
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Shawn,</p>
<p>I beg to differ with you. We are not &#8220;media grabbers.&#8221; We are being faithful to our Christian faith, the call to be human, which calls us to first and foremost to love God and all human beings, as every person is made in God&#8217;s image and likeness. This leads one to reject the idolatrous and blasphemous ways of empire; to reject and stand against all that glorifies death, all that serves the purpose of death and destruction. God calls us to &#8220;choose life.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are correct. Our opinion and our protests (by ourselves) have little, if any, effect on government policy. However, first and foremost, as stated above, our intent is to be faithful to Gospel principles, not necessarily successful in changing anything, though this certainly is the ultimate goal. The goal of disarmament, which is to place our trust in God alone, as our national motto (falsely) states, will come when our nation collapses under economic ruin because we spend nearly all our resources on the ways of death and destruction, while the needs of the people and the nation&#8217;s infrastructure are neglected.  It is utterly impossible for this nation to continue spending trillions on wars and expect to meet the needs of the people. Every empire in human history tried it before us and collapsed. When we fall, then the people will come together and join us and demand that the money used for weapons, wars, death and destruction, now be used for the purpose of life.</p>
<p>Protesting and resistance is the human thing to do in the midst of the inhuman, and anti-human diabolical madness of war and preparation for war.  </p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://vandenbergwitness.org/2009/11/06/vandenberg-mps-gone-wild#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went by the front gate where the protesters were being arrested.  I did not witness any of the Security Forces personnel treating any body in a rough manner.  I can assure you that they were following protocol by calling the paramedics.  

I think it&#039;s sad that protesters feel the need to take away valuable resources from the base when we are fighting a much greater enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went by the front gate where the protesters were being arrested.  I did not witness any of the Security Forces personnel treating any body in a rough manner.  I can assure you that they were following protocol by calling the paramedics.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s sad that protesters feel the need to take away valuable resources from the base when we are fighting a much greater enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: MacGregor Eddy</title>
		<link>http://vandenbergwitness.org/2009/11/06/vandenberg-mps-gone-wild#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>MacGregor Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The press conference by the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation will be at 2:30 on Tuesday November 17 at the NAPF office on Anacapa Street in Santa Barbara.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The press conference by the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation will be at 2:30 on Tuesday November 17 at the NAPF office on Anacapa Street in Santa Barbara.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola T</title>
		<link>http://vandenbergwitness.org/2009/11/06/vandenberg-mps-gone-wild#comment-1101</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unreal. Mistreating an 84-year-old man. I like the idea of the signs. Thank you for being involved, everyone who is. We SHALL OVERCOME, hopefully someday soon, in the meantime, WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP THE CAUSE FOR PEACE, NO MATTER WHAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unreal. Mistreating an 84-year-old man. I like the idea of the signs. Thank you for being involved, everyone who is. We SHALL OVERCOME, hopefully someday soon, in the meantime, WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP THE CAUSE FOR PEACE, NO MATTER WHAT.</p>
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		<title>By: MacGregor Eddy</title>
		<link>http://vandenbergwitness.org/2009/11/06/vandenberg-mps-gone-wild#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>MacGregor Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nuclear Age Peace Foundation will have a press conference in Santa Barbara before the launch.  Santa Barbara residents may wish to attend this event.  Call NAPF at 805 965 3443 to find out when and where it will be.

     Please join me at the front gate 11:55 pm on November 17 to protest the ICBM launch.  I am asking protesters to provide ID  so we can clarify the legal issues and contest the base policy of lifetime ban and bar  practice.  This practice has NEVER been reviewed by a civilian court . Of course people can do whatever they wish but this is a request for this protest only.  Who else is planning to be there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nuclear Age Peace Foundation will have a press conference in Santa Barbara before the launch.  Santa Barbara residents may wish to attend this event.  Call NAPF at 805 965 3443 to find out when and where it will be.</p>
<p>     Please join me at the front gate 11:55 pm on November 17 to protest the ICBM launch.  I am asking protesters to provide ID  so we can clarify the legal issues and contest the base policy of lifetime ban and bar  practice.  This practice has NEVER been reviewed by a civilian court . Of course people can do whatever they wish but this is a request for this protest only.  Who else is planning to be there?</p>
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		<title>By: Avanika</title>
		<link>http://vandenbergwitness.org/2009/11/06/vandenberg-mps-gone-wild#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>Avanika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>second comment:I think we should carry signs saying: 

   Our Military takes 58 cents of every single tax dollar
                          For What?
    Bill of Rights Violations at Vandenberg!!!!!!!!
???????????  Who does this military work for?
         Heroes or Brown Shirts???????  Choose!!!!!!!!!!!

   Or: Tax Money For Economic Recovery not Violence!
          Who does this military base work for? ?????
                   Not Our Bill of Rights.
             Heros or Brown Shirts???Choose!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>second comment:I think we should carry signs saying: </p>
<p>   Our Military takes 58 cents of every single tax dollar<br />
                          For What?<br />
    Bill of Rights Violations at Vandenberg!!!!!!!!<br />
???????????  Who does this military work for?<br />
         Heroes or Brown Shirts???????  Choose!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>   Or: Tax Money For Economic Recovery not Violence!<br />
          Who does this military base work for? ?????<br />
                   Not Our Bill of Rights.<br />
             Heros or Brown Shirts???Choose!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Avanika</title>
		<link>http://vandenbergwitness.org/2009/11/06/vandenberg-mps-gone-wild#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Avanika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should carry signs saying: 

     Vandenberg - Fort Hood  something in common. 
               A culture of violence Inside and outside.  

  Or:                                      Vandenberg-Ft Hood
                          Cultures of Violence Inside and Outside
                                 Violence leads to Violence, Always
                             Our Tax money turned against our people.

                             Or : 60 cents of every tax dollar turned     against our people at Vandenberg Airforce Base.
Avanika</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should carry signs saying: </p>
<p>     Vandenberg &#8211; Fort Hood  something in common.<br />
               A culture of violence Inside and outside.  </p>
<p>  Or:                                      Vandenberg-Ft Hood<br />
                          Cultures of Violence Inside and Outside<br />
                                 Violence leads to Violence, Always<br />
                             Our Tax money turned against our people.</p>
<p>                             Or : 60 cents of every tax dollar turned     against our people at Vandenberg Airforce Base.<br />
Avanika</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Baker</title>
		<link>http://vandenbergwitness.org/2009/11/06/vandenberg-mps-gone-wild#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheila Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for reporting this to the online lists, including
Hopedance, and for referring Bud to Catherine Swenson.
Bud should be supported and encouraged to pursue legal action based on the base&#039;s abusive tactics on non-violent activists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for reporting this to the online lists, including<br />
Hopedance, and for referring Bud to Catherine Swenson.<br />
Bud should be supported and encouraged to pursue legal action based on the base&#8217;s abusive tactics on non-violent activists.</p>
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